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Feme Assassin · Dec 28, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Except from the 5 gods and Abaddon the sixth one.There is also Dhuum the former god of death so whats about that guy ok he got imprissoned by Grenth and was helping Abaddon to release himself.

Now what if Dhuum tries to release himself in the following chapters cause it really suits with the whole thing.

Think about it.If the next chapter takes place north and if the giants(see giganticus lupicus) are related to it who would be better to restore them from death but the former god of death so with his army of giants(see giganticus lupicus)he could destroy the gods.This really reminds me of Ragnarok from norse mythology.

Everyone feel free to add your opinion

Neriandal Freit · Dec 28, 2006, 01:11 PM // 13:11

You have the Five Gods, Abaddon, Dhuum (Former) and Menzies (Balthy's brother).

On top of that, there are three not-detailed "Demi Gods" that are female. If you look through the Factions/Cantha handbook, you will notice mentioning of the three female demideities that we haven't heard a thing about since. *tear*

Feme Assassin · Dec 28, 2006, 02:11 PM // 14:11

yeah i have heard about these demi godesses but the fact that they are in cantha only i dont think its gonna make them part of any chapter in future if they were in tyria too ok but who knows

GourangaPizza · Dec 28, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

"The Luxons, on the other hand, believe notonly in the five greater gods of the Tyrian pantheon, but also the three demigoddesses - the three queens Alua, Elora, and Ione."

Now, unless I have miss out any part, apparently only the Luxons believe in these goddesses not the whole of Cantha.

thezed · Dec 28, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

I dont think Dhuum will be an issue at any point. He is your enemy in The Underworld.

But your connection with the "north lands", giganticus lupicus, and norse mythology is very true. I have no doubt that IF the next chapter is set in these "north lands" the giganticus lupicus will be a big part of it.

Neriandal Freit · Dec 29, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by GourangaPizza

"The Luxons, on the other hand, believe notonly in the five greater gods of the Tyrian pantheon, but also the three demigoddesses - the three queens Alua, Elora, and Ione."

Now, unless I have miss out any part, apparently only the Luxons believe in these goddesses not the whole of Cantha.

Ah very good.

Reguardless, I would love the insight on the Three Queens and who/how they became godesses and why the Luxons are the ones who believe in them, what type of Luxons do, etc.

Some Guru Named Kai · Dec 30, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Well since Luxons are "pirate-like" many sailors often believe in some from of sea-goddess as they always refer to their ship as a woman. So I'm guessing it's just a sailor thing?

Plushie Penguin · Dec 31, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47

There was a god before abaddon... if you ask the only friendly margonite somewhere far in nightfall, he says something about abaddon doing the same thing grenth did
"According to the Margonite Apostate, Abaddon attained his power by deposing an unnamed earlier god."
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Abaddon

Feme Assassin · Jan 02, 2007, 11:27 AM // 11:27

I read somewhere(i cant remember where though)that all the gods are siblings and they took their position as gods from the former ones as in greek mythology zeus took his father position in olympus and imprisoned kronos.

And the fact that olias says that genrth has not overthrown dhuum and if dhuum is an ancestor of the gods like the titans in greek mythology then there might be a connection between the gigantcus lupicus(huge giants like the titans in myhology)and Dhuum.

Neriandal Freit · Jan 02, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

See, this is the only pet-peeve I really have with Guildwars. They are unable to fill in these details which lead us asking questions like this.

So, Apostate says there was an UnNamed God that Abby took his power from. Now, someone else has taken Abby's power and thus is the third god that we know of to house Knowledge and a couple of other ports.

Where/When does Olias state that Grenth has not overthrown Dhuum? Not questioning you, just making sure we have some facts that are straight on this. I don't know if Dhuum is an ancestor of the gods, if that's the case, he's extremely old being that he still lives. I do think he is an old god, yes, but, Grenth is the neutral version of death when Dhuum made death evil.

But, this leads me more and more to when Chapter Five (yes, five) comes around in a couple of years that we will begin to "play with the gods", because there is so much detail and history to them that we will be playing a even bigger roll then what we did, and currently are, in Elona.

Dreikki · Jan 02, 2007, 02:58 PM // 14:58

(SPOILER)

What about Kormir? She became a Goddess of Truth when Abbadon was destroyed.

Sophitia Leafblade · Jan 02, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Is it me is are are the 5 gods always described as the 'Old gods'.

So if u have old gods does that not mean there are some newer gods since then (aside from Kormir). Considering the gods have withdrawn from the mortal realm in gw (hence why they did nothing to help in any of the storyline other than gaining there favor) is it perhaps possible all the old gods we be replaced with the new gods who like kormir will care about the world like the old gods used to.

I know the last chapter of gw is far off but hmm the chosen? could they be the ones to replace the old gods? Mhenlo, Eve, Cynn, Aidan and Devona could they become the future gods of tryia? since in theory they are all chosen and are the ones who assist u in defeating all 3 subplots of abaddon.

Or perhaps there are simply youger gods that we have no encountered yet, like the old gods decendents (who could be the afore-mentioned chosen ones, much like Thor or Hercules being born on earth before accending to join the norse/greek gods).

As for the Giganticus Lupicus, could they have been the 1st gods, or even the pre godlike forms of the 'old gods'? its possible but doesnt seem too plasable. The quote of them is the last time they walked on Tryia (unknown as in Tryia the world or Tryia the continent), either they walk elsewhere or they do not walk anymore - (ie they swim, so therefore they are the big bones in the dessert of big sea creatures)

Alot of people want to See Orr again in the future, if u had a underwater campaign (which is the only way to see Orr again) perhaps u would meet these undersea Giants. who probally arnt happy about all there dead cousins lieing in the crystal dessert.

Feme Assassin · Jan 02, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

See, this is the only pet-peeve I really have with Guildwars. They are unable to fill in these details which lead us asking questions like this.

So, Apostate says there was an UnNamed God that Abby took his power from. Now, someone else has taken Abby's power and thus is the third god that we know of to house Knowledge and a couple of other ports.

Where/When does Olias state that Grenth has not overthrown Dhuum? Not questioning you, just making sure we have some facts that are straight on this. I don't know if Dhuum is an ancestor of the gods, if that's the case, he's extremely old being that he still lives. I do think he is an old god, yes, but, Grenth is the neutral version of death when Dhuum made death evil.

But, this leads me more and more to when Chapter Five (yes, five) comes around in a couple of years that we will begin to "play with the gods", because there is so much detail and history to them that we will be playing a even bigger roll then what we did, and currently are, in Elona.

About olias i found that in guildwiki and i dont know if it is true i should have checked it but i didnt.But it is a fact that dhuum is alive we got that information from many dialogs with npcs so it has to be true.

The unNamed gods may were the giants in tyria thousands of years ago its like greek history.Titans were rulling the world zeus poseidon and hades took their power and inprisoned them.

FireFox · Jan 02, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Is it me is are are the 5 gods always described as the 'Old gods'.

So if u have old gods does that not mean there are some newer gods since then (aside from Kormir). Considering the gods have withdrawn from the mortal realm in gw (hence why they did nothing to help in any of the storyline other than gaining there favor) is it perhaps possible all the old gods we be replaced with the new gods who like kormir will care about the world like the old gods used to.

I know the last chapter of gw is far off but hmm the chosen? could they be the ones to replace the old gods? Mhenlo, Eve, Cynn, Aidan and Devona could they become the future gods of tryia? since in theory they are all chosen and are the ones who assist u in defeating all 3 subplots of abaddon.

Or perhaps there are simply youger gods that we have no encountered yet, like the old gods decendents (who could be the afore-mentioned chosen ones, much like Thor or Hercules being born on earth before accending to join the norse/greek gods).

As for the Giganticus Lupicus, could they have been the 1st gods, or even the pre godlike forms of the 'old gods'? its possible but doesnt seem too plasable. The quote of them is the last time they walked on Tryia (unknown as in Tryia the world or Tryia the continent), either they walk elsewhere or they do not walk anymore - (ie they swim, so therefore they are the big bones in the dessert of big sea creatures)

Alot of people want to See Orr again in the future, if u had a underwater campaign (which is the only way to see Orr again) perhaps u would meet these undersea Giants. who probally arnt happy about all there dead cousins lieing in the crystal dessert.

No.
Described as old gods due to groups like the Mursaat coming in and being worshiped like gods. Pretty much everything in your post is highly likely to be incorrect.

kopacha · Jan 02, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Keeper Zeliss clearly states:

"We are the keepers of Abaddon. Our Task has been complicated of late by the aid the dark god has received from the fallen god, Dhuum, as well as Balthazar's half brother Menzies"

A new campaign might give us more info on Dhuum and Menzies or nothing concerning them at all...

And about Grenth and Dhuum. My fav quest in UW when I used to be able to find a party for there( only FoW is sickening atm)

The Four Horsemen from the Reaper of the Chaos Planes. The Reaper says:

"Before the time of Grenth, when death was ruled by a cruel and unjust god, there stood a tower and a throne on this very plain. But Grenth rose up and destroyed the one called Dhuum and shattered down his tower, leaving only these storms of chaos as a reminder of the power that once held dominion here. My vigil over these lands was broken for a time, and I can feel a resurgence of the old taint. Four horsemen approach, riders of Dhuum. Destroy them before they can reclaim this place and throw the underworld into chaos!"

Nooow you can see a clear contradiction.

Zeliss says that Dhuum is helping Abaddon thus meaning he is alive.
Reaper says that Dhuum is destroyed by Grenth.
WTF??? No clear opinion, no nothing. Only more questions...

Menzies... Half-brother of Balthy... He wants to conquer FoW and he has the support of the shadow army. Nothing more said about him, leaving us looking dumb.

We have insufficient info on both baddies to be able to say anything...

And btw, the whole new gods idea isn't made that good. I mean Tyria and Cantha don't know crap about Kormir and we haven't seen a reference to her in Tyria and Cantha as a goddess.

Another thing that eludes me:

Mursaat are look totally like margonites and jade armours look like Abaddon. BUT they fight against the lich's plans who is a follower of Abaddon.

So I can think of a few things:
1. Mursaat are exiled/betrayer Margonites who don't believe in Abaddon anymore.
2. Margonites are corrupted Mursaat.

And about a new campaign:
What actually can we get?
I can't say for sure but I guess ANet is going to reveal more info soon.
I want more Mursaat stuff but that just won't happen...

draxynnic · Jan 02, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

My interpretation here is that Dhuum's 'destruction' was of the form of 'destroying' someone in business rather than properly killing him. He's power base was destroyed, his portfolio taken from him, his servants scattered or slain, but like the businessman who is ruined by a rival but who's rival doesn't get to the point of actually having them assassinated, some vestige of Dhuum still remains plotting revenge.

Feme Assassin · Jan 02, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Can i ask you guys a question?
Why mursaats and seers and margonites have to be from the same race?
The only connection is that the seers are in a war with the margonites

Neriandal Freit · Jan 03, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Feme Assassin

Can i ask you guys a question?
Why mursaats and seers and margonites have to be from the same race?
The only connection is that the seers are in a war with the margonites

It's attempting to connect the dots we don't know anything about.

I for one don't believe the Margon's and Mur's to be of the same. Yes, they are both ancient and powerful but I don't know anything else.

The Seer states in the original game that his race if from another plane or realm, something, and is at war with the Murr's. We also know the Margonites vanished into Realm of Torment some time ago too.

Other then that, we don't know anything about anyone and thus again why we are discussing the topic of the gods...the devil is always in the details.

Terra Xin · Jan 03, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Ah very good.

Reguardless, I would love the insight on the Three Queens and who/how they became godesses and why the Luxons are the ones who believe in them, what type of Luxons do, etc.

Crab, Turtle and Serpent clans :P. Each of them have relations to the three demigoddeses.

Neriandal Freit · Jan 03, 2007, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Crab, Turtle and Serpent clans :P. Each of them have relations to the three demigoddeses.

True as that may or not be, I'd still want to know why is it that they are revered as Gods, if even by a group(s) of luxons.